Laura: I am reposting this from the Facebook group for the record 🙂
Source: Ocean Explorer Facebook Discusion Group posted by Isis.
PETER LINDBERGs answer to some of your questions (020613):
1. How much money would be needed to drill a tiny hole on to surface of anomaly to get proper samples?
“It is not realistic to send down a “scuba”-diver with a power tool to these depths. Maybe if we could find a small handy battery powered machine but there are non on the market. But it would be useless just to drill a small hole into the anomaly. If it would be any meaning with drilling it would be for getting a core-sample and then we are talking big machines which must be powered by hydraulics. The machine it self must be bolted to the anomaly so it is a huge operation for a team of technical divers. And since they do not have any communication with us on the surface it would be a lethal operation and I do not allow that. To bring in a team of saturation divers to do the drilling would cost immense a lot of money. As an example I can mention that the last job I did for my former employer was to calculate the costs and present a quote for a client. It was a air diving job down to 40 meters depth and a 24/7 operation. In total 24 persons in the diving crew and an unknown persons in the vessel crew. Anyway, it ended up with a daily cost of EUR 57 000. When we get deeper than 50 meters a job must be done with other breathing gases than air (usually even before that to day). A saturation diver charge like EUR 1 500 per day (if we can get a gang together by our self), a portable saturation system cost EUR 60-70 thousands per day, from the day it leaves the owners yard. And before you have it mounted on a vessel it will have gone at least a month. If we can find a diving vessel with un inbuilt sat-system the vessel will cost approx. EUR 75 000/day + fuels, food, accommodation, transport etc etc. You see, it is an impossible mission to get a core sample. The easiest and most cost effective way is for our divers to bring a mini-sledge and just hit the anomaly as hard as possible at a suitable place, I promise, something will fall off.”
2. It seems like there may be a formation of corrosion on the anomaly. When you say at “a suitable place”, what does that mean? With poor visibility and time pressure, it must be very difficult to find a place where there seems to be no corrosion. With that in mind, how can you be sure the the next sample you take will be of the anomaly itself and not a formation?
“We can’t be sure of anything, we can just do the best we can. But with a few more divers in the team, so the divers them self can take care of the diving operations. Floris and I could navigate the ROV at the same time, we could find a good spot and then send the divers down while we keeping the ROV at the position. Now I must be the supervisor on the surface and need Floris assistance in the tender boat since it is only me and him who have commercial diving experience.”
3. I remember when we first got news about Team and Titan were “partners” it also contained very shocking words: “Everything is top secret now”. So those two comments seems to be in conflict…or is there an logical answer for that?
“Yes I guess it was Dennis who used those words, but at that moment we were not allowed to show anything of what we had found actually, and this was because of the contract with Titan. I realize that they wanted to be first to show what we had to show. However, because of any reason unknown to me Titan did not start editing the documentary until six months after our last expedition in 2012. In my world they should had start with that work immediately after we were finished out there. Anyway, even Titan understood that they could not keep the secrecy to long since of course people would start loosing interest. Therefore have we been allowed to show things where after.”
4. Its a shame no scientist has contacted you Peter, what does they say when you try to contact them about it? Are they intrested but no money or they just not intrested at all or ask for more detail?
“I feel like I don’t have the energy running around trying to convince some scientist who already has made up their mind. If they would be interested they would have contacted us already. I’m a treasure hunter and a commercial diving “specialist”. I have chosen my path because I thought from the beginning it would be a great way of make my living, it is not really in my sphere of interest to find anomalies on the bottom (unless they are wrecks or gas or oil wells). I am of course interested in finding out what the hell we have found but I guess some of you think it’s more important than I think. You know, I do not believe in Rosswell or other similar stories. When I watching “Ancient Aliens” on the History channel I laugh for my self since I think they are a bunch of idiots finding “proofs” everywhere about aliens being visiting our planet in the past. And what if they have, should it change our life to day, do you think you do not have to pay the rent anymore or what would change? What I want to have said is that I will not run around trying to convince the scientific society to investigate something that in the end to 99% probably will be explained as a natural formation. If we can gain interest among common people with the fund raising campaign it will be ok, these funds will be donations from people who are interested to get an answer. I don’t know what a bunch of scientist expect to get out of it. But of course, if we can get yet an other expedition funded we will bring a few scientist but they will come along because they want to, and not because we tell them to.”
5. And finally from his own posting regarding the question if there’s any “hidden agendas” and not sharing full disclosure?:
“Regarding the comments about we and Titan does not share a full disclosure of the project with the public.
The thing is that through the entire project we have struggled with bad economy (yeah, you’ve heard that before) which have left us with trying to do the best we can with simple means. If we had had a large budget from the beginning which had allowed us to bring on scientists and made what ever expensive tests on the anomaly maybe we with in a few hours when we got there last year could had said; “it’s a rock!”. Or we could have come to some other conclusion.
What we have done so far in this projects is to have a visual survey of just small parts of the anomaly. What we have found has been showed for the public and there is pretty much nothing else to reveal. It is still a mystery for us and if I speak for my self; I have not changed my opinion regarding this anomaly probably being a natural formation to 99 %, but still it’s puzzling me. Many things has not been as I expected to find on a natural formation.
We have no hidden agenda or hiding anything really. There is some 35 hours of ROV video which has not been viewed properly yet. It might be things to discover on these videos since we have only seen them when we actually piloted the ROV and there are many things to think about when driving. We could of course have missed something. While we were driving the ROV around on the anomaly we saw these features we have talked about, like the straight horizontal and vertical cracks where this ironoxide (Limonite & Goethite) seamed to have poured out from. At some places there are hollow spaces under this ironoxide where it has poured out on a flat surface, like the surface under it has been washed away. We still have that hole we have shown and the “scull” like “rock”, what are these things? We can see the straight lines and angular corners, natural formations or not? You folks have seen other things on the images we have shown and even I found what looked like parts of circle which did not consist with the pattern on that surface. I had prepared my self for finding a hole in the bottom before we first laid our eyes on the anomaly, because that is how the side scan sonar image should be interpret, but instead it raised 15 meters above the bottom!
This quest we are on maybe turns out with a very boring result, that it is just a rock! Since we do not know much more than we have presented, we can’t really tell, we do not simply know!
So, there is no full disclosure to show or a hidden agenda to reveal.”
5. By now you have investigated the second anomaly. What can you tell us about that?
“I’m not sure that we actually got to the second anomaly, I saw something that kind of reminded of the side scan image on the ROV sonar. But when we got closer we just saw boulders. We were driving around and looked at these boulders before we decided to go to the anomaly instead. The thing is that last year when we checked it with the echo sounder we saw it raising like 8 meters above the bottom. This time we followed the bottom and then the boulders were just there and they were not especially big. The largest we saw was maybe 1 m3. I’m more and more convinced that it was the track to anomaly 2 we looked at and not the anomaly it self. It is not an easy task when you do not have the right equipment.”
6. From your point of view, how do you and Dennis manage to work together? It seems like you are quite the opposite of each other.
“It has worked so far but your right about us being our opposites.”